Debated in Parliament on 7 Nov 2022.
Debate resumed.
Mr Leon Perera.
Thank you, Mr Speaker, Sir. I just have a few points of clarification and firstly, I thank the Deputy Prime Minister for his replies and to respond to the hon Member Mr Murali Pillai, I think there are points of agreement between the PAP and the Workers' Party in this debate.
We are not advocating going to debt markets, for example, to finance a deficit, to make the constitutional changes necessary to do that, we are not advocating that. So, there are points of agreement, but I think the disagreement is philosophic and it has to do principally, I think, with the slope of the reserves growth and we advocate for certain measures that would slow the slope of the reserves growth and PAP disagrees with that. We may have to agree to disagree.
But my clarification is really on whether the Deputy Prime Minister would acknowledge that as countries evolve, societies evolve, and also as the size, the absolute size of the financial reserves increase, different policies, are necessary and advisable, compared to when the reserves was $100 billion versus what it is now.
And on this point, in this context, I would like to bring Members back to the point my colleague, Mr Louis Chua, made that in the crisis of a generation, during COVID-19, many Members of this House, used the term "the crisis of our generation", "the crisis of our generation", we drew down about $50 billion. How large is that as a proportion of the reserves, I am not asking that as a question, I know the Government's position on that. But by most estimates that have been in circulation, it is a very, very small fraction. So, it begs the question, how much is enough? And we are at this stage as a society. When we are at this level, this quantitative level of financial reserves. And given that it was 15 years since the framework was last revised, does the Minister and the Government not acknowledge that it behooves us to work on these options at this point in time? So that is my first point of clarification.
My second point of clarification is I wonder if the Deputy Prime Minister underestimates the risk of inflation specifically regards to this point. When the GST hike comes into effect in January next year, we have all acknowledged that may be an issue of some merchants using that as an excuse to increase prices more than necessary, and this is common everywhere in the world. We have a Committee Against Profiteering, but I think we should also acknowledge it is very difficult for any Committee in a time when inflation is running at very high levels to sort of effectively address and disentangle legitimate price hikes from profiteering-related price hikes. And in fact, many members of the public may not even raise feedback to the Committee because they may think that if certain prices by certain merchants are going up, well, that is just because of inflation, it is not because of profiteering.
So, from a point of view of practical execution, will the Deputy Prime Minister agree that it is very difficult to clamp down on this potential for profiteering and therefore, there is a macroeconomic inflation risk from introducing GST in the calendar year next year. I take the Deputy Prime Minister's point that fiscally it is neutral but there is this other risk of macroeconomic inflation.
And my last point of clarification —
If you can keep the third clarification shorter than the first two.
Yes, it is very short. I did not hear the Deputy Prime Minister responding to my colleague, Assoc Prof Jamus Lim on this. Assoc Prof Lim was asking the Deputy Prime Minister whether healthcare expenditure, which is usually given as the main reason for increasing the GST, and that has seen a secular increase. How much is that going to be increasing in the next few years and does the rate of healthcare expenditure increase in the next few years, the projected rate, does that require urgency about hiking the GST next year or the year after?
Sir, let me take these three questions in turn.
First, Mr Leon Perera says there is a disagreement with philosophy and the main disagreement is on the slope of the growth in reserves. I would say the main disagreement is this: the Workers' Party basically wants to use more past reserves and leave behind less for our children and grandchildren – just state it honestly. There is no need to have fancy words. "Slow down the rate of growth of reserves". Basically, you are asking to use more of the past reserves and leaving behind less for the next generation. Fine, that is a legitimate position to have, but is this a wise thing to do? Is it a responsible thing to do, considering the new global environment that we are in, the uncertainties that we face, all the challenges that many Members here have spoken about. Is it wise to do it this way?
And if you think about it, if our forefathers had taken that same approach, I said in my Budget speech or in my round-up speech during the debate, if our forefathers had thought exactly the same line of thought, take 20% more of NIRC for themselves, today, we will be not just talking about a 9% GST, we will be talking about an 11% GST.
So, if we were to do the same, then the next generation – because fiscal needs will continue to grow – they will have to face a greater tax burden, not to mention having fewer resources to cope with crisis, emergencies or anything that can emerge in this uncertain world. And not to mention that we have not even talked about the more than $50 billion which we have drawn from past reserves so far, for which we are very unlikely for now, to be able to pay back. [Please refer to "Clarification by Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance", Official Report, 7 November 2022, Vol 95, Issue No 73, Correction by Written Statement section.]
How can one tell whether or not in the coming years there will not be similar emergencies, pandemics, crises for which we may very well legitimately have to go to the President and ask for permission to use the past reserves.
So, in light of all of these considerations, I would say, the Government's position is very much to say today's system, do not change the parameters now. If we need revenues, we find revenues in other ways that we can do, whether through the GST increase or through other revenue raising sources.
The second point I would say is in fact, the disagreement on philosophy, is not just on reserves. Because as Mr Murali Pillai has highlighted, WP has consistently, time and again, throughout Singapore's history, basically, opposed the GST increase.
So, it is not just a philosophical matter about the reserves. It is also a philosophical matter about the GST. You fundamentally oppose the GST increase, for whatever reasons, I cannot quite fathom, because the way that we have designed the GST in Singapore is very different. I have explained this repeatedly, it does not hurt the poor, it is fair, it is effective, it is a unique system. And yet, WP continues to oppose GST and the GST increase. And that is why I surmise, the only reason you might do so, is because of a political reason, because you know this is unpopular, and therefore, it serves your political interests to oppose GST.
Third, on the macro inflation risk and the practicalities on tackling profiteering, this is not something we talk about in theory, because we have had experience doing this, through repeated rounds of doing GST increases in previous years. And the Committee Against Profiteering, each time we stand it up, has proven to be effective, has proven to be able to effectively deter any businesses from profiteering and when we catch someone, we have been able to take very quick action.
So, we have confidence in doing these sorts of things, not because of theory, but because of practical experience gained from past rounds of GST increases.
Mr Leon Perera.
I would just like to ask the Deputy Prime Minister if he could respond to my third clarification on healthcare expenses and the urgency of introducing GST to meet healthcare expenditure in the next few years.
I forgot to talk about healthcare. I have already talked about the projections for healthcare in 2010. That is a projection that we are able to make on account of our ageing population. [Please refer to "Clarification by Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance", Official Report, 7 November 2022, Vol 95, Issue No 73, Correction by Written Statement section.]
Because, remember, the elderly on a per capita spend basis incurs more healthcare spending than the young. Most of our healthcare spending is incurred when we get older, not when we are young.
Just the simple mathematics of it, as our population pyramid shifts to an older population, on that simple mathematics, healthcare spending must surely go up. That is why, we have good basis and good confidence to project in the longer term, where the trends are. The only way in which we can avoid that, is somehow magically, we have older folks spending less on healthcare. I do not know how that might even happen. I hope Healthier SG will pay some dividends but let us be realistic. Even if it helps to slow things down, I think the fact that older folks will incur more healthcare spending, I think that is not going to go away. So, the trend is very clear. The upslope is very clear.
The only other way to address this again, is, again, if we are honest, let us not spend so much for the elderly. And I am sure, no one in this House wants to take such a position. That structural increase is very clear, but on a year-to-year basis, next year, two years' time, how much more will healthcare spending go up, it is not so clear. Because there will be some lumpy investments, there may be a new hospital here; maybe for pandemic reasons, we need to enhance our infection controls.
So, these are nearer-term projections which may be slightly lumpy, a little bit more unpredictable. But the broader trend of increase is very clear and we have start preparing now for that increase.
The question is, "That the Bill be now read a Second time". As many as are of that opinion, say "Aye".
Hon Members say "Aye".
To the contrary say "No". Leader of the Opposition.
Thank you, Mr Speaker. The Workers' Party would like to record our dissent, please.
Let me state my opinion on collection of voices. I think the "Ayes" have it.
Would you like to call for a Division or would you like to record your dissent instead?
Sir, recording dissent.
Would Members who wish to dissent, please rise to your feet.
Hon Members Mr Chua Kheng Wee Louis, Mr Gerald Giam Yean Song, Ms He Ting Ru, Assoc Prof Jamus Jerome Lim, Ms Sylvia Lim, Mr Muhamad Faisal Bin Abdul Manap, Mr Leon Perera, Mr Pritam Singh, Mr Dennis Tan Lip Fong, Ms Hazel Poa and Mr Leong Mun Wai rose in their place for their dissent to be recorded.
Thank you. Would any Members like to abstain? None.
Question put, and agreed to.
Bill accordingly read a Second time and committed to a Committee of the whole House.
The House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill. – [Mr Lawrence Wong].
Bill considered in Committee; reported without amendment; read a Third time and passed.